Rimma Markova - People's Artist of the USSR began to appear only after thirty, first gained fame after forty, but the spectator's love and attention was won almost immediately - because such an organics and such persuasiveness could not go unnoticed. We met with the actress on the eve of her jubilee. The phone was torn from the calls of TV crews trying to immediately agree on filming, and she again patiently explained that her schedule was painted for many days ahead and there was no free time there.
Rima Vasilievna, what feelings do you have in connection with the coming anniversary? Nobody will believe me. I'm eighty-five. And I never arranged for jubilees, because they are all lying like dogs for three hours. I'm spinning from this. And I dream - it would be faster, because I'm constantly being called and bored. All the channels, all the newspapers, all the magazines ... I'm sick of myself already. Whom alone I was - and in "Women's stories", and in the "Life Line", and I tell everything, I tell, I tell. Well, how much you can! I know everything about myself: what kind of person I am, what kind of friend, what an artist. And I'm not thrilled with myself, with my artistic creativity. You understand - it rarely happens, but I'm so self-critical! Worse than I think of myself, no one thinks. In memory, not much dark, but bright memories are much more often. What were the most vivid feelings of happiness in your life? Yes, what happiness? The battle is on. Life is a struggle, I think so. Someone said very precisely - the struggle for life. And there are people who are dying, there are those who are fighting. I'm a fighter, I fight. That's all. But after all, in addition to fighting in life there is also love. And you had it, too ... I'm against when an old man starts talking about it. Saliva is already flowing from old age, people are watching and saying: "My God, the image, and she says something else about love." Yes, I fell in love, and fell in love with me. And they changed it, not me, but me. And I fell in love with selflessness. I liked many men, and when I fell in love, it was always real. And then it was impossible for some situations to take shape, did not take place. And I, of course, suffered, because when you fall in love with a man - you compose it. And you look at it through your fingers. Do you believe in the destiny of fate?
Yes. Mom told me that when they were young, then, like everyone at this age, they guessed. And she was told: "Your children will walk along the road strewn with flowers." And she could not understand what it meant, what it says. But I'm always surrounded by flowers and bouquets. As they say: "For a long time I did not lie in the Hall of Columns." I have flowers everywhere, and there are always a lot of them. I'm already saying: "Do not buy me any shit for my birthday. Do not need any bouquets, do not waste it, because I then distribute them. And do not buy a boat or a box. I do not know where I should go from them. " I have bags of this shit. Or you give, but find out beforehand what you need. Pantyhose present, scarf, shawl beautiful. Already a bunch of all the junk in my dacha. Still there are pictures, because I, of course, do not throw them away. But that's all (Shows a lot of trinkets) is given. All this Khokhloma, which was carried as a gift, when we were shooting in Suzdal. Of course, it is beautiful, but where to put it in such quantities? But this is an expression of popular love! Do you really think that I do not understand this? And I can not throw away a gift, especially when I see my generation who is begging. I already told Sergei Mikhailovich Mironov: "Give me five minutes to tell the president. And look - everything will turn over. He will not hear this from anyone. "
They say to me: "You act like that! Nobody says that. " I answer: "Why do not you say? Do not you notice what's going on around here? "I saw here how an elderly man was choosing food in a store and he was asking:" And how much is this? And this? "And it was already taking water. And I bought a package of milk and gave it to him: "Take it." - "What are you?" He left the store, and I went back home and cried: how dare I? But I did it in confusion. You still have to figure out what you're doing, and when you are rude, give it straight to your nose. And you will have a good soul. But when I got so confused ... I can imagine how I offended him. But it's not me! This state! And there are non-poor people sitting there. And the well-fed will never understand this and will not think about the fact that someone is starving. I even went to see my father, I said: "Father, what shall I do? I'm so angry at all this bedlam, the noodles, which they hang, generalized, robbed, humiliated the old people, thanks to which they live on the ground. " How to live after that? But I was a hooligan and a fighter from childhood. I was a fighter. And now I'm fighting. It is not known with whom, but I struggle. I never sat quietly, always advocated justice. And no one will turn me off this path. Even when they invite me to television, which I hate, I'm talking about what I see.
Do you hate television? Why?
Because I think this is the most criminal organization. The most! They will not be able to zombie me, but you, the young ... We have lost one generation, and we will lose further. But as one poet said, "Russia will find the past to become, which we loved from books, when people will grow up in it like those who were killed." I will not find this time, and you, perhaps, will still find. So I do not have such an iridescent mood: an anniversary, let's now I'll say everything no, I do not have the excitement. I see, I know this generation. The one that created the material values. People who restored half the country after the war, restored production, agriculture, which they can not do now. Constructed cities again and waited for them to be thanked for ... Directors and spectators evaluate you as an artist very high. And in your eighty-five you are professionally in demand. And it's not even all the young actors can boast of. I generally will not withdraw any more, because I am now so used!
The whole week was shooting for twelve hours, until three or four o'clock in the morning. I do not already have the strength. I arrived yesterday to shoot, but I can not get out of the car. To the driver I say: "Alexander Vladimirovich, pull me out." He only began to help me, and at this time some people are shooting me. I asked the producer: "Who was shooting me? Tell me not to dare to do this. You can not show the actress in this form. " I validol put under the tongue, and they take me off! And then they will write: "Drunk Markova comes out." Or punctured. Yes, anything you can write. I have already read so much all about myself. It seemed to me that you are one of the few actresses who do not make fables. I have now been shown a newspaper where my mouth is looking at me in different directions, my fingers are twisted, and below is the signature: "Grandma Rimma is angry." And another photo: next to the director Merezhko is a blonde girl. And there is a comment: "Granddaughter Markova wants to marry Merezhko. Markov is unhappy with this. " And I have one grandson, there is no granddaughter! And supposedly this blonde is asked about me, and she answers: "My grandmother taught me to sing and dance." Well, what nonsense? Am I a ballerina? And what to do with such journalists? And how many Nonka had suffered all this, do not bring God. To her there was such attention ... Recently to me have called: "Rimma Vasilevna, we now do the program about Nonna Viktorovna Mordjukovoj. Can not you tell us about it? You were friends. " I say: "Yes, they were friends. Fourty years. And I know everything from and to. But you want me to tell you some things that I will never tell you, because it's Mordyukova, not Tyutkin. She is loved by millions. " I wanted to even sue with one newspaper. Nonka already felt bad, somewhere she went out, and she felt sick, and she began to drip herself a medicine in a glass. And some photographer, a bastard, called her, she looked at him, and he photographed it. And then it was printed. So I phoned the newspaper, demanded an editor and asked him: "Do you have children? Are not you afraid that you will pay for it? How did you dare to remove Mordyukov so? And how did you dare to print it? "I think that such actions are returned by a boomerang. And if this happens after a long time, then their consequences, manifestations may seem irrational and inexplicable ...
But in general do you believe in mysticism?
I do not believe in mysticism, but in another I am sure. We are all atheists, because we were brought up like this, but I believe that something is controlling us. Anyway, I'm so helped by something. Now I have a job in the new picture. To my age to play one of the main roles, and an interesting role - this is such a gift! After all, no one knows that I'm shooting, although I played the whole role, there are only three days left. And she played on the nerve, on the lack of time. But, of course, I do not know how this will work out as a result. In the cinema, it is really difficult to predict the result. And sometimes there are absolutely amazing situations. How did it happen that when filming in the movie Night Watch, you did not know that your heroine is a witch? All the actors, who are shooting even in a small role, necessarily read the script. And this is the first time in my life I have not read the script. Before me, this role was offered to very good actresses, and they refused it. Therefore, when the role was offered to me, then they did it more cunningly. They said: "We can not send the script. Khabensky is leaving for Cannes, we have only four days, we need to shoot everything urgently. " And they sent me only my text. I look - and there is a fraud. Here she wails: there is some kind of grass, I need to grow a daughter ... I did not know that the daughter is a spider. And then I watch the film - and my heroine is not a fraud, but a witch. Was not it scary when they found out? Many actors from superstition are afraid to play such roles. I was so afraid all the time, so I suffered! I thought: "What have I done?" Before that, I was offered a role where I die and lie in a coffin. That is, you can die, but do not lie in a coffin. And I said that I will not withdraw. And then I played a witch! Therefore, I was in despair. Then I fell ill, I thought: "God punishes". But I did not know who had to play as a result, so probably everything turned out. Because my brother, Leonid, did not. He played Satan and died a month later. Let's go back to your profession. You have several new scenarios, now there are shooting pictures.
Is this an unhappiness for the actress?
For an actress of my age, it's not that happiness, but a gift for all the suffering, for all the difficulties. There were moments when I was close to ending my life. But I dreamed, wanted and became an actress, no matter what. Believe me, what I just did not get nuts, came to Moscow and lived at the station. Total. And the card system, when there was nothing to eat. And there was nothing to wear, and there was nothing, and no prospects. I studied in the studio, I had only one dress. And the shoes were not there. And when now you look around ... Here we go shooting in a country mansion, almost in the palace. So there is a pool the size of almost with a football field. Do you think it's nice to see this? How people live! Of course, they consider us cattle, I'm sure. We used to call these people scammers, speculators, scammers, thieves. And now they are talking about them: the oligarch. I recently blurted out of the scene ... There was a meeting and they were sitting - cheeks from the back were already visible. I say: "The guys, they stole - share. Because it will be bad. Not you, but your children. Despite the five-meter fences, dogs and security. " You think how many thousands of young men only in Moscow work as guards. Whom do they guard? And from whom? There's a guard at the Queen. And who is she? Montserrat Caballe? To those whom today are called stars, many have an ambiguous attitude. But among them, for sure, there are your colleagues whom you admire. I will not say which actors I admire. Why? What's wrong with mentioning the name of the artist you like? There are actors that I like, and there are actors that I do not like. The actors are wonderful, but I do not like them. We have such a rule, for dramatic actors: when you watch a performance, even if you are unfamiliar with the performers, be sure to go backstage to say: "Thank you very much, I enjoyed it." Because they will say: Petrenco came here, for example, and he is watching the play. And the actor then waits for him. And so Sadalsky and I went to see one performance. Which does not matter. I did not like it powerfully. Sadalsky says: "Come on, let's go backstage." I say: "I can not." I can not even thank you, because I could hardly stand the performance, although the artists played the most popular ones. And this bastard Sadalsky went to the actors, and they ask: "Why are you alone? And why did not Markova come? "-" She did not like it powerfully. " Did not say anything?
No, he said it with pleasure. Although I'm sure he did not like it either. After a while I come to the theater to see Artsybashev "Marriage". And he has a manner to interrupt to invite actors backstage. And there Wulf was, still someone and this actress, which I did not like much. And now we sit, drink tea, talk. And she at some point tells me: "I remember how you said ..." I did not even have an answer. Well, what could I say? Yes, you did not like me? I can not finish off a person. She does not care about my opinion, I'm sure. But she hates me since then, although many years have passed. That's the whole answer. People tend to be mistaken and mistaken. Have you ever had serious mistakes in your life? Of course, who did not commit them? And I did. I once stole a hundred rubles. Then I returned them, but I stole it! Why - I will not tell, it's a long story. But the situation was creepy, I sobbed for a month, and the one from whom I stole money at the restaurant took lunch and brought it to me. He yelled at me and said: "You idiot idiot! Why did you take a hundred rubles? If to steal - so a million. " I had a familiar singer, he called me, and I sob. He: "What is it?" - "Arkash, I stole the money." A brother came to me and said: "How could you do this? You have a daughter, how will you educate her? "Many people came to me then, because I just wanted to commit suicide. How could I do this? And all because the guy lifted the sofa and showed me what is under it. And there were stacks of money. And one was strewn. Here I am from her and took a hundred rubles ... Therefore, correctly say: do not renounce anything. I was friends with the family of the great artist Mikhail Mikhailovich Sadovsky. And I remember how he received a salary, and someone from the home put it in a prominent place. And he said: "Take it away, do not provoke people. Do not embarrass: Satan will push into the elbow, and the person, unwillingly, will take someone else's and will curse himself all his life. " And I was insanely ashamed and ashamed of my actions so far. Then I had such terrible punctures. There were some situations that I now do not remember, but I remember this whole my life, although not one decade passed. Do you regret anything in your life?
Strange pity
I regret that I have few children, that there is only one daughter. But I believe that actors do not have the right to have children. Our profession is such an infection! Because the real actor is completely cut off from life. And do not do this. Children are more important than, whatever. I gave birth to a daughter, and there was no time to do it, and I did not do for her what I had to do, I did not give much. And how many such acting children! These are mutilated lives. And my marriage. Everything was poboku, because the main thing is work. And if you had the opportunity to change something in your life, what would you change? I would not change a single day. I would be an actress. I do not want anything else, and nothing interests me any more.